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		<title>By: John Feeney</title>
		<link>http://growthmadness.org/2007/06/22/my-world-without-oil/#comment-3577</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[John Feeney]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jul 2007 07:30:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[dessum,

That has been my general impression as well. Is is more realistic to say biofuels could become one small piece of the pie of replacements for fossil fuels?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>dessum,</p>
<p>That has been my general impression as well. Is is more realistic to say biofuels could become one small piece of the pie of replacements for fossil fuels?</p>
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		<title>By: dessum9</title>
		<link>http://growthmadness.org/2007/06/22/my-world-without-oil/#comment-3445</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jun 2007 02:09:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Andrew Staroscik, above, gave us a link to an article outlining some possible advances in biofuels. The problem with biofuels, as I understand it, is an inescapable one concerning scale. The world currently consumes a cubic mile of oil every year, and I don&#039;t know how many cubic miles of coal. Biofuels will never take up the slack, because you will never be able to grow the mass in a year that will refine into that volume of fuel, or even come anywhere close - especially if you don&#039;t have oil-driven machines to help you. It took a planetary scale, and hundreds of millions of years, to refine the oil and coal we&#039;ve grown to depend upon. Biofuels are gaining interest for economic reasons only - that is, as oil prices go up, you can make money with biofuels. But they can never realistically hope to sustain the oil-fueled infrastructure.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Andrew Staroscik, above, gave us a link to an article outlining some possible advances in biofuels. The problem with biofuels, as I understand it, is an inescapable one concerning scale. The world currently consumes a cubic mile of oil every year, and I don&#8217;t know how many cubic miles of coal. Biofuels will never take up the slack, because you will never be able to grow the mass in a year that will refine into that volume of fuel, or even come anywhere close &#8211; especially if you don&#8217;t have oil-driven machines to help you. It took a planetary scale, and hundreds of millions of years, to refine the oil and coal we&#8217;ve grown to depend upon. Biofuels are gaining interest for economic reasons only &#8211; that is, as oil prices go up, you can make money with biofuels. But they can never realistically hope to sustain the oil-fueled infrastructure.</p>
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		<title>By: John Feeney</title>
		<link>http://growthmadness.org/2007/06/22/my-world-without-oil/#comment-3443</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[John Feeney]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jun 2007 01:01:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Magne,

Just a quick follow up with two thoughts:

1) I wouldn&#039;t be surprised if Europeans, on average, are better informed than Americans on these issues. In fact, I&#039;d be surprised if they weren&#039;t. In the US we have access to plenty of information, but it can take some digging to get at some of it, and I think few make the effort. People here mostly just want to go on living the lifestyles to which they&#039;ve become accustomed.

2) That said, I agree that in many cases it&#039;s a case of &quot;deliberately ignoring,&quot; as you point out. i.e., yes, it&#039;s often a matter of getting some hint that there&#039;s something which needs to be looked at, something important on which to become more informed. But because it looks threatening, people make the choice to ignore it. It&#039;s fairly easy to do and provides the comforting illusion that all continues as usual. Yep, there have to be lots of people out there who are doing that.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Magne,</p>
<p>Just a quick follow up with two thoughts:</p>
<p>1) I wouldn&#8217;t be surprised if Europeans, on average, are better informed than Americans on these issues. In fact, I&#8217;d be surprised if they weren&#8217;t. In the US we have access to plenty of information, but it can take some digging to get at some of it, and I think few make the effort. People here mostly just want to go on living the lifestyles to which they&#8217;ve become accustomed.</p>
<p>2) That said, I agree that in many cases it&#8217;s a case of &#8220;deliberately ignoring,&#8221; as you point out. i.e., yes, it&#8217;s often a matter of getting some hint that there&#8217;s something which needs to be looked at, something important on which to become more informed. But because it looks threatening, people make the choice to ignore it. It&#8217;s fairly easy to do and provides the comforting illusion that all continues as usual. Yep, there have to be lots of people out there who are doing that.</p>
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		<title>By: Note on peak oil and population &#171; Growth is Madness!</title>
		<link>http://growthmadness.org/2007/06/22/my-world-without-oil/#comment-3441</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Note on peak oil and population &#171; Growth is Madness!]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jun 2007 21:33:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: "Sparky!"</title>
		<link>http://growthmadness.org/2007/06/22/my-world-without-oil/#comment-3439</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA["Sparky!"]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jun 2007 20:38:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Holy petrol catch-22 Blairman!  What&#039;s a Lawrenceville School, NJ &#039;Spirit of &#039;76er&#039; to do?!  

   As usual -- you pitch some astoundingly shocking &amp; compelling points.  It&#039;s obvious from your writing that I no longer :

   *   Own/manage/finance my condo
   *   Lease my 2002 Acura RSX
   *   Add to my USAir frequent flyer account
   *   Drive Lincoln Town Cars as an Executive 
        Driver either in the Bay Area nor in &quot;The 
       City of Roses&quot; -- (Portland, OR).
   *  Jet to Class of &#039;76 reunions in New Jersey
   *  Get fabulous massage sessions here in 
       San Rafael from slut-friendly Asian women 
      &quot;foh top dollah -- me love you BIGTIME!&quot;
   *  yada-yada-yada ...... (a reference to Elaine 
       from the &quot;Seinfeld&quot; tv show).

   You are an intelligent, generous, decent human being, Jim!  Mahalo!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Holy petrol catch-22 Blairman!  What&#8217;s a Lawrenceville School, NJ &#8216;Spirit of &#8217;76er&#8217; to do?!  </p>
<p>   As usual &#8212; you pitch some astoundingly shocking &amp; compelling points.  It&#8217;s obvious from your writing that I no longer :</p>
<p>   *   Own/manage/finance my condo<br />
   *   Lease my 2002 Acura RSX<br />
   *   Add to my USAir frequent flyer account<br />
   *   Drive Lincoln Town Cars as an Executive<br />
        Driver either in the Bay Area nor in &#8220;The<br />
       City of Roses&#8221; &#8212; (Portland, OR).<br />
   *  Jet to Class of &#8217;76 reunions in New Jersey<br />
   *  Get fabulous massage sessions here in<br />
       San Rafael from slut-friendly Asian women<br />
      &#8220;foh top dollah &#8212; me love you BIGTIME!&#8221;<br />
   *  yada-yada-yada &#8230;&#8230; (a reference to Elaine<br />
       from the &#8220;Seinfeld&#8221; tv show).</p>
<p>   You are an intelligent, generous, decent human being, Jim!  Mahalo!</p>
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		<title>By: "Sparky!"</title>
		<link>http://growthmadness.org/2007/06/22/my-world-without-oil/#comment-3438</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA["Sparky!"]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jun 2007 20:26:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Holy petrol-Catch22  Blair Man!  What&#039;s a former Executive Driver to do?!

   Perhaps it&#039;s poetic justice that your Lawrenceville School, NJ Class of &#039;76 pal &amp; current Mill St. inmate no longer :

   *   Drives limos.   *   Owns a tv/stereo.
   *   Owns/finances a condo.
   *   Keeps ugrading his USAir frequent flyer 
        mileage account.
    *  Leases his 2002 Acura RSX.
    *  Jets to Jersey to shmooze with L&#039;ville Alum
        Chums, jets to Minnesota to visit with his 
        Sister&#039;s family, yada-yada-yada!
    *  You pose some astounding things!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Holy petrol-Catch22  Blair Man!  What&#8217;s a former Executive Driver to do?!</p>
<p>   Perhaps it&#8217;s poetic justice that your Lawrenceville School, NJ Class of &#8217;76 pal &amp; current Mill St. inmate no longer :</p>
<p>   *   Drives limos.   *   Owns a tv/stereo.<br />
   *   Owns/finances a condo.<br />
   *   Keeps ugrading his USAir frequent flyer<br />
        mileage account.<br />
    *  Leases his 2002 Acura RSX.<br />
    *  Jets to Jersey to shmooze with L&#8217;ville Alum<br />
        Chums, jets to Minnesota to visit with his<br />
        Sister&#8217;s family, yada-yada-yada!<br />
    *  You pose some astounding things!</p>
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		<title>By: stevenearlsalmony</title>
		<link>http://growthmadness.org/2007/06/22/my-world-without-oil/#comment-3405</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[stevenearlsalmony]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 17:58:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi Jim and Friends,

Here is one more link:

http://www.energybulletin.net/31329.html

Always,

Steve]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Jim and Friends,</p>
<p>Here is one more link:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.energybulletin.net/31329.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.energybulletin.net/31329.html</a></p>
<p>Always,</p>
<p>Steve</p>
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		<title>By: jim lydecker</title>
		<link>http://growthmadness.org/2007/06/22/my-world-without-oil/#comment-3404</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[jim lydecker]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 17:54:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[hi, guys-

go to: www.lifeaftertheoilcrash.net

and: www.dieoff.org

&amp;: go to youtube - in the search bar type &#039;post-oil man.&#039;

finally, at youtube, look for &#039;end of suburbia.&#039;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hi, guys-</p>
<p>go to: <a href="http://www.lifeaftertheoilcrash.net" rel="nofollow">http://www.lifeaftertheoilcrash.net</a></p>
<p>and: <a href="http://www.dieoff.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.dieoff.org</a></p>
<p>&amp;: go to youtube &#8211; in the search bar type &#8216;post-oil man.&#8217;</p>
<p>finally, at youtube, look for &#8216;end of suburbia.&#8217;</p>
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		<title>By: John Feeney</title>
		<link>http://growthmadness.org/2007/06/22/my-world-without-oil/#comment-3380</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[John Feeney]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jun 2007 21:02:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks, all, for the interesting comments. It looks like I&#039;ll have very limited time online for the next couple of days. I&#039;ll get back to this discussion after that.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, all, for the interesting comments. It looks like I&#8217;ll have very limited time online for the next couple of days. I&#8217;ll get back to this discussion after that.</p>
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		<title>By: Ruth Ejchorszt</title>
		<link>http://growthmadness.org/2007/06/22/my-world-without-oil/#comment-3378</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ruth Ejchorszt]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jun 2007 16:39:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks again.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks again.</p>
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		<title>By: Ruth Ejchorszt</title>
		<link>http://growthmadness.org/2007/06/22/my-world-without-oil/#comment-3377</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ruth Ejchorszt]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jun 2007 16:38:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Jim It really makes me think when I read this. Thanks.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jim It really makes me think when I read this. Thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: Magne Karlsen</title>
		<link>http://growthmadness.org/2007/06/22/my-world-without-oil/#comment-3369</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Magne Karlsen]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jun 2007 12:30:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[John, 

For how long are we going to allow people to feign ignorance? I mean: there can be no doubt that Europe (for one) has experienced strange seasonal weather patterns for plenty of years now; such extreme seasonal weather patterns seem to be &quot;the new normal&quot; by now. 

I mean: for how long are we going to have to believe that people in general do not read the newspapers and watch TV? For how long are we going to accept the notion that the majority of adults aren&#039;t properly informed? 

I&#039;ve said this before, and I&#039;ll keep saying it until I stop worrying about this: there&#039;s a great deal of difference between actual ignorance and the act of deliberately ignoring. 

Let me tell you that anyone who lives here in Europe today - with the extreme weather and climatic stress which is experienced these days - coupled witht the fact that a very large portion of modern Europeans are well educated news consumers by definition - shall have to be mad in order to not understand that something very terrible is happening to this planet. And that it is happening right now. And that the time to start acting is ... well: NOW ... 

I just don&#039;t believe in a general lack of awareness anymore. I just can&#039;t. --]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John, </p>
<p>For how long are we going to allow people to feign ignorance? I mean: there can be no doubt that Europe (for one) has experienced strange seasonal weather patterns for plenty of years now; such extreme seasonal weather patterns seem to be &#8220;the new normal&#8221; by now. </p>
<p>I mean: for how long are we going to have to believe that people in general do not read the newspapers and watch TV? For how long are we going to accept the notion that the majority of adults aren&#8217;t properly informed? </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve said this before, and I&#8217;ll keep saying it until I stop worrying about this: there&#8217;s a great deal of difference between actual ignorance and the act of deliberately ignoring. </p>
<p>Let me tell you that anyone who lives here in Europe today &#8211; with the extreme weather and climatic stress which is experienced these days &#8211; coupled witht the fact that a very large portion of modern Europeans are well educated news consumers by definition &#8211; shall have to be mad in order to not understand that something very terrible is happening to this planet. And that it is happening right now. And that the time to start acting is &#8230; well: NOW &#8230; </p>
<p>I just don&#8217;t believe in a general lack of awareness anymore. I just can&#8217;t. &#8211;</p>
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		<title>By: nunya</title>
		<link>http://growthmadness.org/2007/06/22/my-world-without-oil/#comment-3349</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[nunya]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jun 2007 23:47:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Great post.
Sadly, I had run through a similar scenario in my mind around November of 2002.   I was politically illiterate until 1999.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post.<br />
Sadly, I had run through a similar scenario in my mind around November of 2002.   I was politically illiterate until 1999.</p>
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		<title>By: John Feeney</title>
		<link>http://growthmadness.org/2007/06/22/my-world-without-oil/#comment-3339</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[John Feeney]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jun 2007 16:45:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[But Magne, just looking at what&#039;s in the media, yes people hear about climate change, but they only hear little bits about the real consequences (fleeting mentions, easy to ignore), and almost nothing about the whole picture of potential (already begun?) ecological collapse. An article appears maybe once a year, then... nothing. And those that do appear tend to stop short of talking about the real consequences. 

I have to go, but will get back to this as soon as I can.

&lt;strong&gt;[Edit]&lt;/strong&gt; Okay, with a bit more time now, lemme elaborate a bit. My impression is that the majority of citizens (in the US anyway) hear a fair amount about climate change and think something like, &quot;There will be some flooding of coastlines and some people will have to move inland. There will be some droughts, but we can deal with those. A few more forest fires, maybe some increased hurricane activity. I think there might even be some crop troubles, but farming methods are pretty sophisticated, and we have a global transportation system, so we&#039;ll deal with it.&quot; 

As for the global ecological crisis as a whole, I&#039;ve searched many times for mainstream news articles to use in my essays, and it takes some digging. There have at times been articles like this...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/6077798.stm

...when a large environmental group comes out with a major report, but otherwise there&#039;s very little. I mean, who reads things like the World Scientists&#039; Warning to Humanity...

http://www.actionbioscience.org/environment/worldscientists.html

...or the AAAS Atlas of Population and Environment?

http://atlas.aaas.org/

Not many I fear.

I don&#039;t know, I wish I had the funds to commission a major poll on people&#039;s impressions of this stuff. I tend to think awareness levels are very low. If I knew they were actually high, I&#039;d shift my focus entirely to looking at how to motivate people to care, to act, etc. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But Magne, just looking at what&#8217;s in the media, yes people hear about climate change, but they only hear little bits about the real consequences (fleeting mentions, easy to ignore), and almost nothing about the whole picture of potential (already begun?) ecological collapse. An article appears maybe once a year, then&#8230; nothing. And those that do appear tend to stop short of talking about the real consequences. </p>
<p>I have to go, but will get back to this as soon as I can.</p>
<p><strong>[Edit]</strong> Okay, with a bit more time now, lemme elaborate a bit. My impression is that the majority of citizens (in the US anyway) hear a fair amount about climate change and think something like, &#8220;There will be some flooding of coastlines and some people will have to move inland. There will be some droughts, but we can deal with those. A few more forest fires, maybe some increased hurricane activity. I think there might even be some crop troubles, but farming methods are pretty sophisticated, and we have a global transportation system, so we&#8217;ll deal with it.&#8221; </p>
<p>As for the global ecological crisis as a whole, I&#8217;ve searched many times for mainstream news articles to use in my essays, and it takes some digging. There have at times been articles like this&#8230;</p>
<p><a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/6077798.stm" rel="nofollow">http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/6077798.stm</a></p>
<p>&#8230;when a large environmental group comes out with a major report, but otherwise there&#8217;s very little. I mean, who reads things like the World Scientists&#8217; Warning to Humanity&#8230;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.actionbioscience.org/environment/worldscientists.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.actionbioscience.org/environment/worldscientists.html</a></p>
<p>&#8230;or the AAAS Atlas of Population and Environment?</p>
<p><a href="http://atlas.aaas.org/" rel="nofollow">http://atlas.aaas.org/</a></p>
<p>Not many I fear.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know, I wish I had the funds to commission a major poll on people&#8217;s impressions of this stuff. I tend to think awareness levels are very low. If I knew they were actually high, I&#8217;d shift my focus entirely to looking at how to motivate people to care, to act, etc. </p>
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		<title>By: Magne Karlsen</title>
		<link>http://growthmadness.org/2007/06/22/my-world-without-oil/#comment-3334</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Magne Karlsen]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jun 2007 14:54:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[John, 

Unlike you, I believe the vast majority of youths and adults are quite aware of great many of the problems associated with CO2, for example. It is only that people like you and I have yet to come to terms with the apparent fact that humans in general have already reached the conclusion that nothing can actually be done about any of this, and decided for themselves that ignorance indeed is bliss. - At least: this is what I believe is the thing which is happenening here, right now. As the British isles experience heavy rain and floods, while a heat wave is causing trouble in the southern and eastern parts of Europe, with draught and forest fires, for instance ... oh, and never mind the strange weather patterns of my native Scandinavia, and also the USA ... I hear the American South-West is drying up? ... 

The point is: We&#039;re dealing with a species which is hell-bent on choosing to ignore all that which should not be ignored. Why? Because doing the opposite will cause great damage to our way of life. - The morale is: &quot;Nature is taking its course, that&#039;s all.&quot; 

I suspect that - from now on - we&#039;re going to have to cope with a lot of new End of The World-Sects. - Hi Ya!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John, </p>
<p>Unlike you, I believe the vast majority of youths and adults are quite aware of great many of the problems associated with CO2, for example. It is only that people like you and I have yet to come to terms with the apparent fact that humans in general have already reached the conclusion that nothing can actually be done about any of this, and decided for themselves that ignorance indeed is bliss. &#8211; At least: this is what I believe is the thing which is happenening here, right now. As the British isles experience heavy rain and floods, while a heat wave is causing trouble in the southern and eastern parts of Europe, with draught and forest fires, for instance &#8230; oh, and never mind the strange weather patterns of my native Scandinavia, and also the USA &#8230; I hear the American South-West is drying up? &#8230; </p>
<p>The point is: We&#8217;re dealing with a species which is hell-bent on choosing to ignore all that which should not be ignored. Why? Because doing the opposite will cause great damage to our way of life. &#8211; The morale is: &#8220;Nature is taking its course, that&#8217;s all.&#8221; </p>
<p>I suspect that &#8211; from now on &#8211; we&#8217;re going to have to cope with a lot of new End of The World-Sects. &#8211; Hi Ya!</p>
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